Lessons from Pat Parelli and Catwalk

Jul 18th, 2010 | By Mary Hunter | Category: Horse Training
Pat Parelli and the stallion Catwalk

The latest gossip on the internet is all about Pat Parelli’s recent demonstration with a stallion named Catwalk. If you haven’t heard, I’ll catch you up briefly.

Catwalk is a show jumping horse who is extremely difficult to bridle. Over the course of the weekend Pat Parelli worked with Catwalk until he could be bridled. However, from eyewitness accounts, the demonstration got a bit too rodeo at times, with ropes used as lip twitches, legs tied up, Catwalk rearing and struggling to get away and spectators walking out in disgust.

I wasn’t there.

I didn’t see the horse or the demonstration. I don’t know how “extreme” the horse’s problems were or if simpler methods were tried first. I don’t know if the results will last or if other problems were created.

However, the incident with Pat Parelli and Catwalk does bring up many questions about how “extreme” behavior issues should be handled when training horses. Here are 5 important lessons that we should be reminded of after the fiasco with Parelli and Catwalk.

1) There are no problem horses

There are no problem horses or extreme horses. Just horses that have problems with people and a few who have extreme problems with people. Most horses are perfectly happy in the pasture. It’s when people get involved that the problems start.

When a horse acts up or misbehaves he is acting with his safety and comfort in mind. His actions don’t seem extreme to him.

Horsemanship is about seeking partnership. We have to try to find ways to work with the horse, rather than fighting against him. We need to find training methods that help the horse to look to us for guidance, rather than seeing us as part of the problem.

2) Choose Conditions that are Ideal for Learning

Setting, location, distractions, structure of the lesson, these can all make or break a training session.

Now imagine putting a horse in a new location, without other horses around, with bright lights, strange loud noises and a cheering crowd. This would put most horses on edge and not in a learning frame of mind.

When we train, we need to consider the best conditions and environment that will help the horse learn and progress. If conditions aren’t ideal, sometimes we might need to help the horse be comfortable in those conditions, before we start training something new.

Also, we must consider session length and structure. Many times progress will be much quicker if we work in short sessions or intersperse training something new with working on behaviors that have already been established.

3) Is horse or human safety at risk?

Will the horse or human will be in danger if the problem is not fixed right now? Sometimes it is appropriate to use “extreme” or “harsh” methods in order to get something done, such as providing medical treatment to an injured but uncooperative horse.

There is no reason to use excessive force to “get it done now” for issues such as bridling. The time frame to conquer Catwalk’s issues in a weekend was arbitrarily set by Pat Parelli.

Most of the time, there are thousands of ways to address a problem. We need to be open to a variety of solutions and techniques and start with the ones that will be the safest and the most easy for the horse to understand.

If we are constantly fighting with the horse or not making progress, it’s time to try something new. Or, it might be time to take a break, let horse and human cool off and then start again from a more calm and relaxed state. If we act like we have all the time in the world, training actually often progresses faster.

4) Any Piece of Equipment can be Abusive

Any piece of equipment in the wrong hands can become a torture device. Much of the buzz about the incident with Catwalk is about the specific techniques and pieces of equipment that Parelli used. Lip chains, hobbles, tying up a horse’s leg, laying down a horse, gag bits, spade bits, whips…many pieces of horse tack resemble medieval torturing devices.

We are quick to blame the piece of equipment and fault the trainer for using such a device or tactic.

However, in unskilled hands, even a snaffle bit or a halter can become a torture device. So, rather than debating whether certain techniques or pieces of equipment should ever be used, I think it is more important to see how that equipment is being used and the skill or technique of the person using it.

A highly trained bridle horse is probably much more comfortable wearing a spade bit than a lesson pony in a snaffle who is being popped in the mouth over every jump by a beginner rider.

Was Pat Parelli wrong to use the equipment or techniques he used? I wasn’t there, I don’t know. However, the incident with Catwalk is a good reminder that we should strive to find the most humane techniques and equipment available. Then, we must become skilled in our mechanics and timing so we can be gentle and humane in applying the techniques and methods we choose.

5) Are we Focused on Results or the Training Process?

The demonstration with Catwalk was all about getting the bridle on the horse. This was the final goal. And, from the clips I saw, it was achieved.

But at what cost?

Will Catwalk regress back to old behavior patterns in the future?
Does Catwalk trust Pat Parelli and view him as a friend?
Were principles and the horse’s welfare sacrificed during the training?

Often, when we focus on single problems or goals, we miss the bigger holes. We can make it all about the bridle, like Parelli did with Catwalk. Often, though, we might need to go pretty far back in a horse’s foundation to find the real problem.

From the clips I saw, the horse wanted nothing to do with having his ears or face touched. How about working through that first until the horse enjoys having his face touched? It might take more than a weekend.

It’s harder to teach a horse to like something when you have an “I’m going to MAKE you do it attitude.” The problem is, we often get our horses to tolerate things, but don’t go far enough to teaching them to like it.

Rather than focusing on the bridle, start with ground work and the basics. Instead of starting with the scary and uncomfortable, start by establishing communication and understanding with the horse. Get the horse calm and relaxed and thinking of you as a friend.

Only return to the bridle when you are working with the horse, rather than against him.

Readers, I would be interested to hear your comments and input on this incident and thoughts in general on trainers working with extreme behavioral issues.

Related posts:

  1. Pat Parelli and Catwalk: Part 2
  2. Teaching the Parelli Friendly Game with Clicker Training (video)
  3. Trixie and the Parelli Figure-Eight Pattern

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  • Mountain Woman
    I am out of the loop because I don't watch these trainers. I'm totally devoted to clicker training now and unless a trainer incorporates the clicker, I don't watch them. I think with a clicker, you could bridle a horse fairly quickly but perhaps not quick enough for those oh so amazing instant ring results that are more to make you look like a star than caring about the horse. I cringe every time I see a trailering video. How easy it is with a clicker. Anyway, if the process is more about getting from point a to b and not enjoying the journey and creating a bond, what's the point?
  • Joinrats
    HiddenHorses has an interesting article on this subject, here: http://hiddenhorses.com/2010/07/19/parellis-catwalk-nightmare/.

  • Molly
    What makes me especially uneasy about the Parelli's is how they do not explain specifically why they used the methods in the video. To me, a good trainer would either admit that the moment got into them and they made a rash decision, or explain in detail why an extreme method is necessary in this situation
    . This could have been a teachable moment but it was not. I see people who are not followers being really turned off. I also see the potential for beginner PNH students watching this and thinking this is an acceptable way to treat a horse. Instead he just babbles on about passive persistence and dignity of the horse staying very vague on the specifics of the event. I want to hear a personal critique about what he did from him. Remember Pat be specific!
  • Steve
    I liked your comments, well thought out. My horse was an extreme problem, he has aural plaque in his ears (wart like growth) and it makes his ears sensitive. I've had him for 5 years and just this summer he will allow me to put the bridle on in the normal way. I'm a lvl 4 Parelli student and have a great relationship with my horse. I'm a mounted Deputy with the Sheriff's office and my horse is a one of the steadiest horses in our unit. He will stand calmly while a helicopter flies 50 feet over head and lands, or stand and graze next to a fire truck with the sirens going off. His problem with his ears probably came from the "treatment" for the warts, most of the methods found on the internet are really bad, scraping, freezing, caustic chemicals to "burn" them off. I can relate to the difficulty. There have been a few times that I have pushed to hard with my horse and lost some of his trust. Love, Language and Leadership. I first admitted that I made the mistake and then I apologized to my horse and being the wonderful soul that he is, he has forgiven me each time. Leadership as I learned in the Navy means regardless of what has happened you take responsibility for your actions and if you make a mistake you take the consequences. I don't know if Pat and Linda made a mistake. If they did, wow they are human, what a revelation! I would like to see the full video and audio to have a better understanding of what happened. One thing I have learned in life, you sometimes learn MORE from your mistakes.
  • "I don't know if Pat and Linda made a mistake. If they did, wow they are human, what a revelation! I would like to see the full video and audio to have a better understanding of what happened. One thing I have learned in life,"

    Good points Steve.

    I wonder if the horse was ever examined for medical issues? Teeth issues and ear issues are always important to check for with horses who are hard to bridle.

    Getting to see a full video (rather than selected clips) would provide a better explanation of what happened. Although I didn't like the clips I saw, it can be hard to judge a long demonstration from several short clips.

    thanks for commenting!
  • L Volk
    He used pain fear and intimidation to accomplish a goal. he was a direct line thinker and all the talk about matching emotions were created by a human. From the little I saw, the horse started to give and there was no reward for the slightest try. If Pat were critiquing this, he would be extremely scathing of the techniques. they do not represent what he has been preaching. He should admit that his testosterone got in the way. No other explanation really works.
  • Jen
    I think Kate pretty much covered it. Unfortunately for the man in question, the horse failed to recognize who he was (a famous horse expert) and instead reacted to what he was: Another biped with his own agenda trying to push him in a direction he didn't want to go/wasn't ready for. One thing's for sure, they seem to be having their share of troubles this year - didn't his wife just get out of the hospital from a fall? (and wasn't it after making some bubbleheaded remark about helmets?) Hmmm...Fame and fortune? Nah - I think I'll just hang on to my amateur status and anonymity, thank you very much ;o)
  • Bookendsfarm
    Wow, hadn't heard about this Mary. How awful. I'm glad to hear that people walked out if it was bad.
  • Maddogranch
    Great post, Mary, thank you. Just sorry to hear that people paid to see that event. Sure looks like a small equine for a show jumper. Maybe Catwalk is a pony jumper. Regardless, can we think of 20 reasons why an animal would not want to be bridled? I can. I've had to face a few of them with my own horses. It's called "the thing that happens before the thing that happens before the thing that happens before the thing that happens." Get to the root of that and you are getting somewhere.

    I truly hope people will eventually see the disconnect between the desire for a "relationship" with the horse and the strategy of achieving it through escalation and a dominance paradigm. There is a false premise at the heart of the matter. Learned helplessness or, as Leslie McDevitt puts it, "gone off to ride the unicorns," is not cooperation or relationship, it's just engineering things so the animal gives up.
  • Joinrats
    Although that YouTube clip is brief, what I see is enough for me to feel that Parelli crossed the line. I realize any equipment can be used to abuse, but I cannot imagine any context where tying up a horse's front leg to physically force him to not move would be acceptable, so I'm curious if anyone could imagine such a thing. Yes, a horse may experience anxiety when we ask him to try something new, but tying up a leg feels like railroading over the horse's prey instincts. I agree with the comments that it's more important to work in baby steps, to titrate the horse's anxiety. In doing so you will never need to tie up a leg.

    In Parelli's explanation, where he apologizes only for not putting the microphone back on after it fell off, so that he could have explained what he was doing to the audience, he says Catwalk required significant "passive persistence." Does anyone know what that means from Parelli training logic? I only know that technique as an old-style cowboy, force-em-and-force-em-fast technique. To me what seemed "passive" were Parelli's unrelenting attempts to keep the horse still, to control the horse's movements. By keeping the horse immobilized, was that "passive"?

    Somewhere the line between appropriate, titrated anxiety, and overwhelming fear, was blurred in Parelli's actions.

    In this culture child abuse (of the human kind) is rampant, and history shows we have failed to recognize it for the harm it inflicts. Example: If a parent smacks a child across the room for touching the good china, and the child stops touching the good china, and the next day the child happily kisses the parent goodbye and then at school makes an A on the test, the parent may conclude there was nothing wrong with smacking the child so that she fell across the floor. The child’s internal emotional and psychological state is ignored in place of the observable behaviors of kissing the parent goodbye and making good grades.

    Likewise horses have mostly submitted to humans inflicting pain, often becoming pliable, respectful, and going on to perform well, even outstandingly. Somewhere in the history of humanity we numbed to the pain of our fellow creatures. Perhaps because it is our nature to treat others as we were treated ourselves.

    How do we reach people who appear not to recognize the difference between proper titrated anxiety and railroading inappropriately when training a horse? How will that person be able to recognize the horse’s pain? These are big questions I think about often.
  • I am not sure links are allowed, but here is the video I have seen from the demo itself:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gf7w_1ifus
    and here is Pat Parelli's explanation of it:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzOqBZRjYoY
    I will post my own thought separately.
  • Joinrats
    And here is Parelli's video of the next sessions with Catwalk, the next day:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j25pS6ixWk
    The problem is, seeing compliance in a horse does not mean the methods to obtain them were good.
  • Karleen
    I will only say that I was a Parelli devotee until I went to one of his symposiums. I walked out disgusted and disillusioned. I think Pat Parelli is an excellent horseman who has become caught up in commercialism and making money. That's just MY opinion; I speak for no one else. After what I saw at the symposium I attended, I would believe that there is an element of truth to the Catwalk story. When your reputation is on the line in front of hundreds or thousands of people, by golly you want to deliver the goods - the pressure is on to succeed no matter what.
  • Exactly Karleen.

    These types of demonstrations put a HUGE amount of pressure on the trainer. Every eye is on him (or her) and every move is watched and later scrutinized by the audience.

    I think these demonstrations become less about the horse and more about entertainment and showcasing the trainer.

    It's the same feeling I got from watching the In A Whisper DVD (which disgusted me enough that I wrote a blog post about it here: http://stalecheerios.com/blog/horse-training/in-a-whisper-horse-training-dvd/)

    Just because something can be done doesn't mean it's the best way or that it should be done.

    Thanks for commenting!

    Mary
  • Joinrats
    I am still hoping to see a blog on Monty Roberts. :) I have embedded many videos of him and Kelly Marks working with many horses, here: http://www.joinrats.com/HorsesAndRats/MontyAndKelly/11401445_S7Eza. There are a few where a heart rate monitor is attached to the horse and you can hear it the entire time. Monty's method results in a significant drop on the horse's heart rate as he goes through the lessons. Figure out good training methods seem to me to continue that learning process to understand good, titrated anxiety, versus crossing the line to abuse.
  • Hi Joinrats,

    I started on several posts on Monty Roberts last spring, but never finished them. Thanks for the reminder.

    I have watched some clips of him online and on youtube. He gets good results and the horses usually seem calmer in the end. However, I'm not sure I like the way he goes about certain things---I saw some pretty stressed horses in several of the clips I watched.

    Mary
  • Very thoughtful post. I think sometimes these big arena events, where a troubled horse - who probably has a lot more issues than just bridling - is subjected to tight time deadlines are a mistake. Every horse is different, and every horse needs to be handled with respect and fairness - even a horse with extreme issues. Inability to bridle can be worked around and addressed - starting with what the horse will willingly accept - say, touching the neck - and working from there in appropriate length sessions - not forcing things to a conclusion. As you say, it may be necessary to use force in an emergency, and sometimes it's necessary to get big to protect yourself, but otherwise coercion is just coercion - it's not training.
  • Great points, Kate.

    I like that you said "coercion is just coercion - it's not training"

    So true. In situations like this the horse learns often nothing other than that he must submit.

    Mary

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